Tribe.net. Local Connections kelly http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#d70a2afb-3c7a-43d0-b3f9-6a71578b20df 2008-04-27T17:34:17Z 2008-04-27T17:34:17Z

Most of the posts in this thread are months old...it IS time to move on have have a hot sexy time at Cherries! I finally get another chance to wear my leather! It's going to get mildewed in my closet if it doesn't get out! Hell..*I* might get mildewed if I don't get to a play party and get a chance to play!!!

kelly 2008-04-27T17:34:17Z eros http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#0f1daf95-7bb9-4a4e-8c0c-221e0d9d098d 2008-04-27T17:13:21Z 2008-04-27T17:13:21Z

Cherries Jubilee is going to rock so fucking hard. very excited to go. i hope everyone here that is being snippy back and forth can let it all go and get down to getting excited for this event. theres going to be great music, awesome performances, fantastic people in beautiful outfits (or nothing at all!)... lots of fun smiling people getting their freak together. such a good time will be had.

eros 2008-04-27T17:13:21Z Uppity http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#5d2825e7-43f6-40d3-809d-5da189ce299b 2008-04-25T15:17:27Z 2008-04-25T15:17:27Z

Chiming in and echoing Teresa, Kelly, Kris, etc. I have felt unsafe at Club Risque many times. Here I was in a cuddle pile with friends and a very drunk woman who attends all the CR parties was falling on top of us. This went on for over an hour. No security/vibes came by the whole time. Finally I had to get up leave my friends and find security. The woman wasn't booted out and returned at later events to trouble me and others. Another time in the dungeon, we had people with their noses in our scene and touching us as we played. Because my top of the time didnt protect me I had to say something myself. The dms didn't protect me. I also have a problem with loud music. How about some middle eastern music. I too am troubled by too many lookers and not enough folks participating. Yes I have had fun at times but I vote for taking the alcohol away since some people over indulge. Also ways to help people open up and play would be great. Venus

Uppity 2008-04-25T15:17:27Z pomofiwo http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#bb195358-d376-4474-891a-fe2050997e40 2008-04-11T03:58:45Z 2008-04-11T03:58:45Z

>This is nice. Invite people to respond to your post, then when they do, berate them. THANK YOU It's nice to see there is an ADULT here.

pomofiwo 2008-04-11T03:58:45Z The Goat http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#d69145b8-a029-42c2-9a3e-17254d9f0fc1 2008-03-29T15:29:31Z 2008-03-29T15:29:31Z

>>Are you just writing to see your own words? Do you even read the words you put on the screen???<< This is nice. Invite people to respond to your post, then when they do, berate them. Well, as someone who HAS helped organize sex parties, I’ll address one issue for you. >>ALL sexual contact MUST be practiced under guidelines identified as "safer" … Besides, Safe Sex isn't safe, it's "SAFER than unprotected sex,<< You don’t specify what your guidelines are, but I’m guessing from your inference that you mean barriers, at the very least. So what you are saying is these ADULTS (your emphasis) HAVE to use condoms, dental damns, etc. to play at these parties where they are all supposed to be ADULTS (And thus responsible for themselves.)? If the coordinators of the event provide barriers, it is up to each individual ADULT to take their own sexual health into their own hands. The event can offer safer sex workshops/pamphlets, to inform and educate, but to expect that every ADULT at the event uses safer sex practices may sound good and safe, but is treating them like children.

The Goat 2008-03-29T15:29:31Z TattooShaman http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#ab0c01de-9c31-4a68-bb1e-64fd4888bf37 2008-03-27T16:39:07Z 2008-03-27T16:39:07Z

>>"You just described all the pitfalls I'd imagine at ANY sex party, adult or not. "<< Uh....... "ANY sex party, adult or not". "Or not"?!?!?!?! What kind of sex parties have YOU been attending???? Are you just writing to see your own words? Do you even read the words you put on the screen??? "You'd imagine"? I'm guessing this is all great theory to you, but that you haven't attended much of anything in the adult world. Am I mistaken? >>"But of course, the stricter and more varied the rules, the more complicated the management of the event, including safety, would be."<< I have to disagree. In San Francisco we (and others in most big cities) manage to run things VERY easily- just have enough "hosts" whose job it is to keep an eye on things, and get everyone attending the party to read -and agree to follow- a code of conduct before they were allowed entrance. Simple. Doesn't matter if it's a simple "play party" or if it's a hardcore BDSM club- consent is EVERYTHING. And there's nothing "varied" about these 'rules'. They're simple, to the point, and address proper conduct at ANY play party- don't touch without consent, no play without INFORMED consent, and all sex must be practiced as "safer sex". Where do you get "the stricter and more varied the rules, the more complicated the management of the event, including safety, would be" from this???? Have you ever helped put on such a function? Have you ever attended an adult gathering? At this point, I'm having trouble believing that you actually mean the things you write- either you're joking with all this, or you're so sadly misinformed about what can and does happen in the adult play environment here in northern California, that I don't know if anything I write CAN help you understand the real world.

TattooShaman 2008-03-27T16:39:07Z pomofiwo http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#090e19f9-ce6f-409e-9e1d-ea4dcb62660f 2008-03-21T14:48:33Z 2008-03-21T14:48:33Z

You just described all the pitfalls I'd imagine at ANY sex party, adult or not. That's why I inserted the "various potential places and degrees" qualification; specifically for the reasons you just described. But of course, the stricter and more varied the rules, the more complicated the management of the event, including safety, would be. But not impossible, and at least worthy of discussion.

pomofiwo 2008-03-21T14:48:33Z TattooShaman http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#a6d9c40f-8f95-4679-8098-0bd4c6269ca5 2008-03-12T15:26:33Z 2008-03-12T15:26:33Z

I'd really love to hear some feedback on my comments and the rest of this thread........ Anyone have anything to say about the issues I've raised? Anyone want to call me "alarmist"? Anyone want to call me "overreacting"? Anyone want to call me "unrealistic"? PLEASE, I'd love the chance to discuss such things. Respect, T

TattooShaman 2008-03-12T15:26:33Z TattooShaman http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#4fa7e88a-15e1-4d7f-a83b-85453f5f7b71 2008-03-03T10:41:52Z 2008-03-03T10:41:52Z

Pomo, I think you miss a whole raft of points about people playing at an ADULT gathering. While I'm not telling anyone else how to play, certain things are (or are supposed to be) STANDARD in the Adult Play scene (sorry about the caps, but there's no italics here- please read "all caps" words as being in italics?). Here's a few of those points as I see them: 1) People do NOT go to play parties to be "group groped without specific intent", for one. Any idea that people would enter a room "only if they don't mind being touched" is a sure-fire way to get almost very few people to show up.... except, maybe, drunk 19 year old BOYS looking for a cheap thrill (as opposed to 19 year old "young men", which DO exist) then those same guys would get righteously pissed when another guy grabs THEIR johnson, since they entered a room "only if they don't mind being touched". 2) Non-consensual contact is a sure-fire way to spread STDs at an even more alarming rate than in the general population. How the hell do you know where that hand that's down you pants was two minutes earlier. It doesn't work like that in the real world. Not anymore. You MUST have INFORMED consent before ANY party play (any sex anywhere, really, but sadly reality seldom makes sense), and that typically means CONFIDENTIALITY! 3) ALL sexual contact MUST be practiced under guidelines identified as "safer" or the event promoter is both unprofessional and irresponsible. Besides, Safe Sex isn't safe, it's "SAFER than unprotected sex", but there's enough people with enough STD exposure out there to insure than anyone can find another who matches their STD profile and find interesting scenarios to explore. You can't do this if you're walking into a room "if you don't mind being touched" (and ANYone who doesn't think that ONE IN FOUR people in ANY room has an STD that they KNOW about, not to mention those in denial or clueless because they're either asymptomatic or stupid in the other three, isn't paying attention to the Centers for Disease Control and the numbers about sexually active men and women, 18 to 50, that are available for ANYone with a computer.). 4) People playing in the adult scene are CHOOSING their play partners, typically with greater attention to who they're willing to play with and DEFINITELY paying attention to "who has what STDs" than in the bar scene 5) PLAY PARTIES MUST BE CONFIDENTIAL, or no one with ANY sense of a private life will show up, even in the big, anonymous city, and we’re talking a town of 15,000, half of whom go to school at the same place. It's not a "party with a play area", from what I've been told a thousand times, CR is an ADULT event. IF you try to do “both types of party at the same event”, and that confidentiality isn’t asked of people who aren’t in the play environment, well, I hope you see the problems inherent in this). So, I guess MY bottom line is this: if CR wants to be an Adult, kink-friendly, sex-positive PLAY gathering, it need to act like one, or admit that it has become something else. Respect, T

TattooShaman 2008-03-03T10:41:52Z pomofiwo http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#538e171f-4566-4ef4-abe3-ad2fb05e4706 2008-01-10T02:18:08Z 2008-01-10T02:18:08Z

There are a lot of different things that can be done to keep Club Risque events both accessible and more confidential. Depending on the location available, it may be possible to have separate areas accessible only to those who agree to the rules of that particular area, or are into participating in a particular fetish, so essentially everyone who witnesses a particular act is part of it (and, of course, plenty of space for voyeurism and exhibitionism for those who don't care). I don't know the specifics of how this would work; the possibilities are endless (for instance: enter blue room only if you don't mind being touched [various potential places and degrees]; enter orange room only if you are not wearing [again, pick the article and level of 'risqueness']; etc) I don't know if that has been discussed before, but I can see something like that working. If it's been tried and was disastrous, then, well, I wasn't there! :( But I'd like to experience that and have as many options as the likely attendance levels can make worth the effort.

pomofiwo 2008-01-10T02:18:08Z John http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#987ab9ee-3376-4c1f-b6fb-bdd9d8c50df6 2008-01-06T03:52:40Z 2008-01-06T03:52:40Z

Mask of Eros is the first event of its kind I've been to, so I suppose I don't have anything to compare it to. I had a blast! I didn't really know what to expect except a fun, sexy party. I didn't realize there would be performances - I was blown away by how good and fun and creative and sexy they were! That alone was worth going for. I'd love to see more CR events, but with the amount of production and the costs and security/safety concerns I can see why they couldn't do something on that scale every month. One thing...I hope that if they have a "coat check" area at their next event that they'll get someone to be an attendant for it. I had my stuff dumped out all over the place. That was pretty much the only bummer of the evening, though - the rest was fun!

John 2008-01-06T03:52:40Z TattooShaman http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#4d9846fc-9b35-4758-99ae-ba6852872e10 2007-12-19T11:02:09Z 2007-12-19T11:02:09Z

I haven't attended CR, primarily because some of the things I hear about each event- from people who have attended- make the entire event sound very dysfunctional as a play-party. Street clothes? Dancing but not playing? Small percentage participating? Where's the play-party? Sounds like Sacred Palace after Arts Alive for the most part. At a long-standing, regular, sex-positive, fetish-friendly, kink-friendly gathering in San Francisco that I used to be part of (as crew and play), there were two BIG differences that made the event a consistently wonderful event- an "ABSOLUTELY NO street clothes" dress code, in which you were NOT allowed in the door unless you were dressed in either fetish clothing, formal wear, or hot, sexy clothes (that you would NOT wear to visit mom), and single guys require a "single guy license", meaning to be involved, they would need to know how many events you'd attended, who you knew in the production crew or regulars, and what you are about. This kept out anyone in street clothes, meaning only those truly interested in participating at SOME level were allowed, and we were never overrun with single hetero men of any age who weren't part of the scene. The gripes people have mentioned in this thread, and a few others are what I've heard about Club Risque over the last year or two, and especially after the last event, I've heard LOTS of "it's like there were the same ten people playing that were there two years ago, and fifty others just standing around watching who had no intention of participating. These gripes cause me to not want to even attend, either as a participant or as crew. Another factor that people have brought up which leads to less involvement and more "vanilla partying" at the event, and this has to do with how small of a town Arcata is, and that MANY of the people attending CR are also likely to be seen out dancing amongst the rest of the population, and are KNOWN to be less than discreet in their treatment of confidentiality issues. Things I heard this time from people who went, in this case two different women who've complained about this to me, WOULD have participated except for the fact that- in their words- "two thirds of the people there" were a) not participating in any way, and b) people they saw "every weekend"- I'm quoting now- "talking shit about other people and minding everybody else's business" in the dance community. Knowing people is not a problem, and dancing is wonderful, but when women who would have liked to play arrive at what they've been told is an "adult" event, weren't going to even think about playing around people who are notoriously juvenile gossips. They went to CR to GET AWAY FROM THOSE PEOPLE, and hoped to be able to play in an environment where their privacy would be respected. The very presence of many of the people attending precluded, in their minds, ANY possibility that they would play. Now, voyeurism CAN be a wonderful thing.... as a fetish, but not when the entire event becomes a looky-loo moment, and when people attending are NOT part of ANY kink scene, but instead looking for a "different sort of party". Besides, there's no "culture of confidentiality", no "what happens here STAYS here", especially when the idea is to sell tickets WITHOUT a dress code demanding fetish-friendly, sex-positive party clothes, as is the case in SF and other kink scenes in northern California. Create a code of conduct that prohibits street clothes and demands an ADULT culture of privacy, promising people that any hint that they've been talking out of school will get them blacklisted. Until then, I'll find my events elsewhere.

TattooShaman 2007-12-19T11:02:09Z pomofiwo http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#9b7cd4f1-71bd-408e-8311-b1d4b97a1df9 2007-11-20T07:40:15Z 2007-11-20T07:40:15Z

Hey, this thread just inspired me to join tribe.net so I must have two cents to throw in! I think everyone's concerns are valid but perhaps some are comparing the event too much to their ideal, or a preset notion of what the event should be, and it just can't always turn out that way, as the event has a life of it's own. I'm pretty sure that every Club Risque event is going to have a slightly different vibe than the last, if not radically different. This can be good or terribly bad, given the edgy status that a sex-centered event holds in advanced, enlightened civilizations such as ours (forgive the sarcasm of that last bit, please). But let me assure you that from my perspective, it felt safe and was a lot of fun. There could have been more of this and less of that but it was still a positive event. This discussion is great and necessary to keep such events as safe as they have been, even at their alleged worst. I am amazed at what the organizers and staff accomplish in crowd control and safety, and I hope it continues that way. Just don't be so hard on yourselves, the event, or the clueless newbies who waltzed across blue lines. It's just a sign that better communication, better signs, more announcements, etc might be in order next time. On another note, as someone who enjoys a few sips of something to buzz the night away, I personally hope Club Risque stays "NOT a zero tolerance event," but staff really needs to have the courage of their convictions and actually boot people who are being obnoxious. Sure, it's a good idea to be sensitive to the fact that the obnoxious person may not mean it, and may calm down if given a warning first, but stick to your guns nonetheless. On yet another note, I personally would run screaming back to the dance floor if I heard yoga music, but to each their own. (and perhaps I have an outmoded idea of what is used in yoga these days, so what do I know!)

pomofiwo 2007-11-20T07:40:15Z $item.owner.firstName http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#a1de1a00-9e66-4f82-9c2d-961ae238cd5e 2007-11-20T03:24:14Z 2007-11-20T03:24:14Z

My understanding was that older male heterosexual voyeurs are just as welcome as younger female bisexual exhibitionists, so long as they follow the rules! That being said I didn't see a problem with the numbers this time, Club Risque has always seemed to have a remarkable ability to keep a nice balance of various genders and ages of attendees. Then again I've been to some parties in cities that were 90% "older male heterosexual voyeurs" and 10% young couples, when *that* happens, I'll start complaining! :) :) :)

$item.owner.firstName 2007-11-20T03:24:14Z $item.owner.firstName http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#0111172e-3c84-408b-8c39-64af927a1b35 2007-11-20T03:20:02Z 2007-11-20T03:20:02Z

Tybie ~ don't be too hard on yourself. How were you to know that you weren't supposed to dance in the Dungeon? I wouldn't apologize for dancing in a room that was set up as a dance floor. I danced in the dungeon too... because NO ONE was using it for anything else at the time. Lots of equipment just standing around and loud dance music playing... so what the hell... I danced. It seemed to be what the space was set up for. No sign was posted or anything... and come to think of it I didn't really see much information on how to use the dungeon or what the blue lines were for. If I hadn't been to an event before I would have had no idea what kind of "rules" applied in that space. Don't get me wrong: If I had known that dancing wasn't allowed I wouldn't have done it. But if no one was dancing, would more people have been using the equipment? I'm not so sure. There were weirdly dead times in there even when the rest of the party was hopping. One thing that did bug me was the "cooling off" area - a sign WAS posted that clearly said "NO SEX" but that bed got more action than a lot of the mattresses in the main space! wtf? Every venue has its pros and cons and two big dance-floor-style rooms were this venue's con. Still a great party, IMHO... I attended with a friend who had never been and arrived nervous.. she LOVED it. Another first-timer said the same. So Club Risque is still doing its job and people are still having a good time.

$item.owner.firstName 2007-11-20T03:20:02Z mark http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#50738049-cc74-4b87-8db9-a6146b4af9ac 2007-11-15T15:07:11Z 2007-11-15T15:07:11Z

Yes ....more frequently...and more play room that isn't a dungeon.....

mark 2007-11-15T15:07:11Z Kale http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#1acfed2b-254d-4f85-bcfa-ea843c909fd0 2007-11-07T18:10:46Z 2007-11-07T18:10:46Z

The folks I tried to describe where definitely not the majority. Most folks where wearing sexy costumes. Most folks did not participate, except by dancing. The minority of folks that were actively participating by playing definitely had an audience. Some of the audience donned street clothes. I am sure we all enjoyed watching the play or we would not have all been voyeurs with our eyes glued. Hopefully we all learned something good, or got familiar with some of our own inhibitions...I guess the voyeur guys in street clothes just made me a little uncomfortable. They were so uncomfortable with themselves that they could not wear costumes. Maybe they will loosen up a bit and get with the fun spirit of it all next time. Sexy and smart definitely come in all sizes. Flaunt it- don't hold back and hide it. I was told once it is not the size of the magician's wand that matters, but how he wields it...

Kale 2007-11-07T18:10:46Z MasterM http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#9965a90e-396d-49d8-a887-bd019cb78df3 2007-11-05T16:10:39Z 2007-11-05T16:10:39Z

<<it would attract more of the ideal sexy smart folk ;)>> Ummm, whose ideal? Sexy and smart come in all sizes, shapes, and ages.

MasterM 2007-11-05T16:10:39Z kelly http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#0f6ab2fd-a89f-4b61-a72b-9ea834a1cb31 2007-11-04T20:54:36Z 2007-11-04T20:54:36Z

It seems to me the majority of the people at the last CR were NOT older men--it was a HUGE college crowd. I'd really like to see more of the older folks there...just not all single men. It just seems that more men are into the idea of a sex event than single women..but who knows.

kelly 2007-11-04T20:54:36Z sequoia http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#33df8f04-d85f-4538-adf8-cea0491a4983 2007-11-04T20:07:04Z 2007-11-04T20:07:04Z

sounds like tons of fun and defiantly need to be more, and organized partys in costume is great :) I think its lame as far as older male heterosexual voyeurs outnumbering the rest of the bunch but it is good to network and include more peoples. maybe if flyers were at HSU instead of downtown eureka it would attract more of the ideal sexy smart folk ;)

sequoia 2007-11-04T20:07:04Z $item.owner.firstName http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#a1b854b5-d264-4ef9-abdd-2c42f6d53f38 2007-11-04T16:40:08Z 2007-11-04T16:40:08Z

I just found out last night there was a Club Risque party, and I missed it, and so yes: I would REALLY love it if there were MORE Club Risque parties.

$item.owner.firstName 2007-11-04T16:40:08Z Rhett http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#9510e077-ae8a-4ee6-bb3e-2e7f6a21e8df 2007-11-01T21:06:36Z 2007-11-01T21:06:36Z

I like the idea of not letting people in without costume.

Rhett 2007-11-01T21:06:36Z Kale http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#77f051ba-2d5a-48ab-864d-3fa5c69fb7d2 2007-10-27T22:24:25Z 2007-10-27T22:24:25Z

Erotophobia bad- Club Risque good! *Disclaimer* This was my first Club Risque. (My lover has been many times though.) Please have more sex on stage next time. Thanks to all the folks who did get up, though. You are brave souls. The oriental dude in the short red skirt in the cage act was really hot. He did justice for men dressed up like ladies. Oww! Folks should come in costume. I had to laugh at all the dirty old men wearing blue jeans being big time voyeurs of all the couples getting it on. It kinda grossed me out (the dirty old men voyeurs in jeans). If people dont want to wear sexy costumes they should have to pay for two tickets to get in. If you are going to have music in the dungeon at all, maybe make a little more space for dancing in front of the DJ's. The dungeon needs to be more closed in. Maybe use walls of some sort. I really enjoyed the party. Please throw more. for the wild- kale chathaunt

Kale 2007-10-27T22:24:25Z Silas http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#fb23f9e5-5af0-4221-9306-2eb355b722c6 2007-10-27T01:31:48Z 2007-10-27T01:31:48Z

What do people think about a raised ticket price? Obviously this is a decision for Eva and Beorne, but here's my thinking: Club Risque is extremely cheap compared to other play parties I've heard of. On one hand, that's pretty cool. On the other, that increases people's perception of it as a "hip party", not a play party. A higher ticket price may invest people in the experience, and reduce the number of attendees who show up simply because it's the cool place to be drinking on Saturday night. Granted, I've been a staff member or a performer for every event I've attended after my first, and a raised ticket price wouldn't directly affect me (unless it generated enough extra income that performer's could start getting paid.....) ~Silas

Silas 2007-10-27T01:31:48Z ॐ Kira ॐ http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#77a24a0d-2c87-469c-9dbd-3fdda7c34664 2007-10-26T22:57:42Z 2007-10-26T22:57:42Z

I know this post is out of the blue since I've only been to 2 CRs and that was a while ago (way before I was pregnant), but I still think I can contribute. Personally, I wouldn't want any thumpa thumpa in a sex room nor a dungeon. Yes, maybe in a separate dance/make out space - but if there's real sensuality going on I would prefer music similar to that played at yoga classes and massage sessions. Something to cushion and really to be drowned out by the mind. I'm not even sure what I'd want to listen to while being whipped. Maybe nothing. Sex is its own music. Oh, and a no-alcohol policy is pretty much a must. I believe the first CR I went to had a no-alcohol and zero tolerance policy. People appearing to be drunk were asked to leave. In an event where people need to LEGALLY be able to give consent (being drunk means your consent might not be valid), it just makes sense that everyone is sober. That's just my 2 cents.

ॐ Kira ॐ 2007-10-26T22:57:42Z kelly http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#1bcebf9e-1a78-4e87-b391-310a68e88004 2007-10-26T19:45:55Z 2007-10-26T19:45:55Z

There is one DJ that isn't all that comfortable at CR events or sex events for that matter..it's not for everyone (even though he's my very FAV DJ!)

kelly 2007-10-26T19:45:55Z Rhett http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#a5a8eb26-0eaa-4039-af40-1112a50005f0 2007-10-26T18:51:41Z 2007-10-26T18:51:41Z

Since are speaking of the DJ's. I don't think I have ever seen anyone of them participating in past dungeons. I remember how freaked out some of them were their first time playing CR too. In fact one of them once told me Club Risque was not even an event he liked doing, granted people are allowed to change their minds. Oh well, letting them play in the dungeon is obviously a mistake that will, i would think, never be made again. hahaha.

Rhett 2007-10-26T18:51:41Z Teresa http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#607047c3-b11a-414d-bf41-493b297eb599 2007-10-26T17:35:22Z 2007-10-26T17:35:22Z

Oops, I meant Tybie ;)

Teresa 2007-10-26T17:35:22Z Teresa http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#3510a050-9554-4d01-8979-507f84afeec6 2007-10-26T17:34:38Z 2007-10-26T17:34:38Z

Thanks for your kind words, Typie! And don't write of the Imps. Society yet, Master M; they're still meeting and planning something for next year, hopefully. Not to compete with Risque', but to add more parties serving the same basic premise; sex-positive fun and awareness! Hopefully, we'll all turn out to still be one big family!

Teresa 2007-10-26T17:34:38Z kelly http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#f4d516c8-a8df-42da-b9ba-46fabb1bf52a 2007-10-26T04:15:52Z 2007-10-26T04:15:52Z

Well..that's the deal, Typie...most like those dancing around didn't realize the dungeon ISN'T about dancing. The DJs don't know that either. Oh do we have some things to tell YOU! i have only danced like once, ever at a Club Risque...have i flown? To quote Deborah "HELL YES"

kelly 2007-10-26T04:15:52Z Tybie http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#edf64913-c718-4d54-ab54-a06c98c47928 2007-10-26T04:12:03Z 2007-10-26T04:12:03Z

Thank you to everybody who has posted! I hope people will continue to share their thoughts and ideas. I would like to make a public apology right here. I was one of the fools dancing through the dungeon. I am very, very sorry. I don't know that much about BDSM. I didn't come with the idea of dancing, I had only wanted to see what people were doing and what it was like, but when I got into the Dungeon I was surprised by the music and the atmosphere. I really liked the play that I did see, and that combined with the music and the generally awesome time I was already having made me very happy. Then I felt like it was okay to dance, and I did. I didn't even realize how distracting it would be for others. I did stay out of the blue lines even when people around me were walking through them. Still, I want to apologize for dancing in the Dungeon. I will never do it again and will make a point to talk with anyone who comes with me next time about the importance of staying out of the lines and not dancing. My experience at CR was so incredibly wonderful, I just wish I could give something back. I would definitely love to volunteer next time, and I would LOVE to put in lots of time training. These are things I WANT to know. It's something I'm now very interested in but had never been exposed to before. I didn't even know dungeons existed before this event, and I had never seen or heard of the crosses and spanking benches. It was a totally new world to me. I can't even express how overjoyed and grateful I am to have had the opportunity to grow and heal in this way, and yet I sincerely apologize that in my ignorance I disrupted other's enjoyment of the event. I am glad to see all the ideas people are sharing. It's really exciting to me to see how big and involved this community is (which I hadn't known existed!) and it is beautiful and heartwarming to me to see how much caring there is. Thank you all!

Tybie 2007-10-26T04:12:03Z MasterM http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#7ce6d6e3-4546-42d3-8150-9877e811b137 2007-10-26T03:16:48Z 2007-10-26T03:16:48Z

I was out of town and culdn't attend this party. I think it's important to note that the previous Club Risque in Fieldbrook was also more of a drunken rave than what We've come to expect from our community parties. It's a change that has been slowly happening---because it's allowed. If different behavior was what was being encouraged, that would be what's happening. The attendance was outstanding, and we have an opportunity to educate all those people and bring them up to the standards we are looking for. That can only start at the top of the organization, and I don't think they are willing to put forth the effort. I think it's too bad the Impropriety Society wasn't allowed to see what they can do as far as putting on a party.

MasterM 2007-10-26T03:16:48Z Etaim http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#19667d90-57f7-4332-bb15-95421d6ee1ba 2007-10-26T03:13:20Z 2007-10-26T03:13:20Z

If CR starts holding more play parties with dungeons, I'd like to volunteer some time to be a DM, and help provide safe and comfortable play space. please contact me later, for more details and information, if you're interested.

Etaim 2007-10-26T03:13:20Z Etaim http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#9dc63f5a-e16b-4f7b-a3c5-1f70dd951574 2007-10-26T03:00:41Z 2007-10-26T03:00:41Z

hmm... I like these ideas... even if it's a brief review of the rules at the door, with the verbal emphasis on not interrupting players, or keeping the dungeon a safe and sober place, I think it would help.

Etaim 2007-10-26T03:00:41Z edward http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#f403633d-c6c4-414c-a2ab-c0f0d160e3ac 2007-10-25T23:56:11Z 2007-10-25T23:56:11Z

Thank you for taking the time to write that

edward 2007-10-25T23:56:11Z kelly http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#e27f96b0-4abf-45bb-8c66-fadae25dee8b 2007-10-25T23:51:43Z 2007-10-25T23:51:43Z

Yup..thanks Deborah...like i said..i was glad that when i did my "play" it was when you WERE on duty. i wil say that i feel that way when i'm the bottom even when it's with my very experienced Top...you just never know when something can go wrong.

kelly 2007-10-25T23:51:43Z Teresa http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#9f38da07-452c-476d-8e2c-9b719fc21c26 2007-10-25T22:32:54Z 2007-10-25T22:32:54Z

Thanks, Deborah; you said that all much better than I could think to. <3

Teresa 2007-10-25T22:32:54Z Deborah http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#a8b8d108-7458-4f5c-ac42-a8b7acc4df18 2007-10-25T22:12:18Z 2007-10-25T22:12:18Z

The opinions expressed below are mine and mine alone. No other's experience or opinions were harmed in the making of this post. Several people have made some excellent points. But there are some fundamental issues dealing with the history and evolution of CR that haven't really been mentioned, so I'm gonna go out on a limb. Do I wanna see more CR events? HELL YES. Do I want to see another one like that? HELL NO. Club Risque is evolving. I am pleased as punch that E&B worked through enough of their stuff to get together to do this again. Our world is in dire need of healthier approaches to all varieties of human sexual experience, and this type of community education blended with fun and pleasure is essential to healing the sexual wounds of our culture. Seven years ago, after attending and performing at the second CR event--the one that was born from the event that was a benefit for pirate radio, I was in awe of what had been accomplished, and pledged myself to that endeavor. It was *amazing*. I was filled with joy, and love for something I could really get behind, something that could utilize my particular talents and enthusiasm. I was so moved, I couldn't *not* offer myself to the project. There was no particular "dungeon" back then. Things were just getting started, and the community was sussing itself out. Then CR evolved, and a dungeon was established. At first, we did it with an additional waiver that had to be read to get into the dungeon, and ID specific to the dungeon. It was a great idea, but man, was it cumbersome We found new ways to achieve similar effects. Mind you, this was back when the staff really had to go through some intense, intentful training--and extra training to work in the dungeon, because it is a specialized environment. It's impossible to create and hold "sacred" space if one has no idea what that space might look like, or how it's created and held. We learned as we went. Dungeon training back then was 4-6 hours on top of staff *and* vibes training. In total, a staff member received on average about 8 hours of training--12 for the dungeon monitors. It took a lot more effort to do, but it paid off in spades (maybe some people who were at the earlier events would add to their impressions on this point). In my opinion, it worked brilliantly, even though it cost more in terms of time and effort. But as the saying goes, "You get what you pay for." This last Risque event was unique in some new ways, in terms of evolution. E&B have always had a hard time delegating--it's their *baby* fer chrissakes, and we all know what happens when you have too many cooks in a kitchen. Over the last 7 years, it's gone from figuring things out, to having at least 3 different crew heads under E&B, to just E&B. If their relative stress levels at this event, *as I observed them*, are an indicator of the effects of this reduction in delegation, well, I'd say it didn't do them any favors. I've seen them both get stressed at every event, but man. This was a whole new level of stress. I won't even speculate as to how it was for them; I can only speak to my own observations. To see if they feel the no-crew heads approach worked for them, you'll hafta ask them. For me, I can tell you that I've worked for days on an event between setup and then working from 7 pm til 7am during the event and not felt as much stress as I did during a 1.5 hour shift. I have to qualify all of this by saying that I am, admittedly, something of a specialist. I've been to sex parties and play parties and combo parties all over the country, and I'd *never* seen anything like CR before. My particular affinity is for the Dungeon, though, as that''s where the bulk of my experience lies. It was a very different experience for me, just working a shift, as opposed to managing the dungeon. I felt a lot of things, but one oft he things I didn't feel is what disturbs me the most: I didn't feel safe. I turned down invitations and playdates. I just can't do what I love to do on a dancefloor with equipment in it. I need a dungeon for that--or at the very least, some sort of held, crafted, intentful sacred, safe space. I missed having that. Before, I've had the right space and no time; this time, I had time and no space. I was not the Dungeon Master for this event. No one was. I did take it upon myself to speak to the dj--4 times, in fact, about volume, and beats per minute. He'd turn it down for a sec, but then it went back up. This is dangerous in a dungeon; you can't hear the pleasure of your playmates screams, for one, and worse: YOU COULDN'T HAVE HEARD A SAFEWORD. I explained this to the dj, but if his actions speak louder than his words, what I said didn't matter. The dj who was supposed to spin in there, who knows the groove, wasn't allowed table access til 3 am. By then, although the shift was most pleasing, it was a bit too late. I also took it upon myself to try to keep people out of the marked areas, and it hurt. I was met with great disdain and was largely ignored. I've never had that happen before. Then again, I've always had a mix of responsibility and authority before, too. This time, I had limited responsibility and the limited authority allotted to any staff member. Between the dungeon dancers and the way the performers were treated, I gotta tellya, this was the most disrespectful batch of guests I've *ever* seen at a CR event. I seriously doubt the actual number of intoxicated people was too much higher than at other events, but without trained staff to contain and consciously move that energy through the space, it *felt* like there were a lot more. A *LOT* more. I prefer to assume that it felt that way--disrespectful and intoxicated--because of the lack of education among both staff and guests. I really can't bear to believe that my community is authentically or inherently truly that icky. I've seen incredible scenes take place in CR dungeons, with trained staff answering newbie questions, doing demos, helping people, sharing love wrapped in leather. Hell, we even used to have a table with "common use" toys on it, that people could borrow, clean safely and return. Experienced players played, and those who were drawn were drawn. Questions could be safely asked and were respectfully, compassionately answered. Noobs could play, and be in a space in which they were lovingly held in safety and sacred embrace, where no one intruded and people could learn how to fly. The only constant in life is change. Nothing ever stays the same. CR is evolving, changing, growing. I believe that was the largest event to date. I have no objections whatsoever to an event of the nature of this most recent Risque. Ive spoken to several people who had positive, life-changing experiences at this event. They had an *amazing* time! They didn't know things could be that way! For that, I salute CR in its outreach, showing people what things can look like. I cannot praise that enough--showing people some of the possibilities for exploring one's sexuality. Minds were opened, and that is amazing, fantastic, incredible, beautiful, gorgeous, wonderful and NEEDED in our wounded world. But I'm also in favor of calling a thing what it is. Was the event sex-positive? Yes. Was it based in community? Yes. Was it safe? IMHO, no. I'd classify this CR event as a dance party with performances (kudos the the brave performers!!) with sex permitted/encouraged. I had a moment at the end of my shift when I was asking my relief if they'd ever been or worked in a dungeon before. "Well, a little..." I was told. I had a moment where I got tense and anxious thinking, "Ack! No training, never been in a dungeon...!!!" And then I had a realization that calmed me down. I realized that there wasn't really anything to worry about, since it wasn't really a dungeon. That made it easier for me. And sadder. I applaud those who played, despite the intrusions, disrespect, and inordinant levels of intoxication (to address a concern in a previous post, it used to be that only water was allowed in the dungeon--it's even still in the waiver, which few seemed to have actually read). I'm glad people at least tried--and I know for a fact that even with things the way they were, fun was had. :) But that was not a dungeon in any sense of the term as I understand it. It was a dancefloor with equipment. Which is fine--if that's what you're after, but please, I beg you, don't call it a Dungeon. I encourage everyone to attend and support CR events, to expose themselves to brave new worlds of intimate possibilities. Hell, I'll probably even attend, if I'm allowed. If I'm not a part of the solution, if I don't participate, then I'm a part of the problem, right? And as Rhett pointed out, if people want something different, maybe that will manifest, too. </rant>, with Love, Deborah

Deborah 2007-10-25T22:12:18Z Rhett http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#a8ee6bc8-974a-46d5-906d-5429d17f9452 2007-10-25T18:50:45Z 2007-10-25T18:50:45Z

I like the bracelet idea for the dungeon. How about this? Make the party dance area smaller and less of the focus. Keep play/dungeon areas controlled . No-one can go in without going through a short intro on dongeon ettiqutte and signing off on it. Also no one can go in with alcohol.... people who are already experienced will will have to go through as well, but they can be the peer pressure on those who are just learning.

Rhett 2007-10-25T18:50:45Z Rhett http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#3d11c2ee-1d32-4e48-89d9-2aba177ceef1 2007-10-25T18:44:19Z 2007-10-25T18:44:19Z

I think in the future perhaps the DM's SHOULD make their own music compilations and set their own volume level.

Rhett 2007-10-25T18:44:19Z Rhett http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#be2f0324-8257-4b70-bbf9-6fc5406d6a1c 2007-10-25T18:41:01Z 2007-10-25T18:41:01Z

Aslo, there are hundreds of sexy songs out there in the universe that the local Dj's seem to be oblivious too. Even adding in some Peaches would be a good start.

Rhett 2007-10-25T18:41:01Z Teresa http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#e625d705-c6b3-4d20-b692-2d16f9c23698 2007-10-25T17:09:32Z 2007-10-25T17:09:32Z

That kid was the bane of my existence! I did manage to get him a ride home, but I couldn't keep track of all the reeling drunks at once. It was scary. If I had my way, he would have been tied to a chair and had a cab called for him the moment he walked in the door ;) If there is another one, it will be better, I'm sure of it. No staff wants any of that to repeat again! Safety should come first so everyone can have as much fun as possible. Really, the most disastrous things that could have happened didn't, and for that I'm grateful. And lots of people had a wonderful, magical night.

Teresa 2007-10-25T17:09:32Z kelly http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#842d3475-56d5-4593-b6ad-f5bb8f70570a 2007-10-25T13:47:22Z 2007-10-25T13:47:22Z

It seems to me no alcohol in the dungeon is just a no brainer. i seem to recall that was a rule at a previous CR event that had a very separate dungeon space (which was probably the best for dungeon "space' but still was full of people that don't know how to behave) One idea that i have is something similar to what i know happens for people into dance. Prior to the event there are lessons. For example in my line dancing years i did this where you learn a line dance and we learned two step. Then when the actual event began we were able to practice what we'd learned. There would HAVE to be folks that would want to come early for a dungeon initiation workshop, don't you think? i know several of us that would volunteer to run such a thing. Again, it's totally on my plate to get some classes going outside of Club Risque--it's just a matter of finding the good space in which to do this. Anyone have a comfy space for a class? The possiblities of stuff to teach is endless? If we don't find a big enough space i'm just gonna open up my frickin' living room and do it 8 people at a time!

kelly 2007-10-25T13:47:22Z Etaim http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#75af43fd-9e30-4234-b21a-78f21bf0d90c 2007-10-25T12:34:27Z 2007-10-25T12:34:27Z

I understand and agree with educating more of them. However, while I was working with the violet wand, some kid with a Jason mask kept coming up and talking to Me. I don't mind answering questions, but I was working on someone, the kid reeked of alcohol, and it was generally distracting. This was, by the way, the same kid that dropped and broke a beer bottle in the corner of the dungeon fairly early on in the evening. if not by invitation, is there some other way to tighten down the dungeon a bit? I enjoy having an audience just as much as the next exebitionistic sadistic Dom, but still... I'm sure the person I was working on at that point would have had more fun if I wasn't being interrupted by someone leaning on My shoulder and exhaling heavily into My face. My personal preference would have been a dungeon in which alcohol and other substances were not allowed... As for the music... I agree. volume was too loud. also, if the DJ's are up to a few ideas, I could definitely point them towards some alternate selections... for that matter, I could even make a few decent compilation disks. their selections weren't bad, but wasn't quite what I would have played. I think, ultimately, if we give them the opportunities to learn and try again, they ought to get the hang of it. My personal preferences aside, I still see a lot of great things about CR, and hope to attend another event in the near future.

Etaim 2007-10-25T12:34:27Z Kris http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#aedc22f6-435f-417c-9b10-3d85f3f355c5 2007-10-25T05:25:28Z 2007-10-25T05:25:28Z

Oh goodie...a discussion! Bless you all for sharing. To echo Teresa's post, and Kelly's...I was a bit concerned about safety at the party. With education and awareness people are much more likely to have the knowledge about dungeon etiquette or respectful viewing distance. I personally enjoy sensual parties with more intent to create sacred space. To be honest, I felt unsafe this incarnation of CR. I really enjoyed the community, and seeing all the kinky people out and about in their costumes. But safe enough to play? Not really, and I am concerned. Years ago at my first CR, I was shown something. Something that I had never felt before. A cozy space for people to hang out, frolic and share intimacy in whatever flavor they desired. Maybe this is where CR is going, more towards a dance party than sex party, and God bless. For a first taste of what is possible it still is a wonderful event. But to keep everyone safe, and comfortable some things might need be looked at. I hope there are many more Club Risque's. However there are some things in my opinion that need a little discussion and awareness shined on them. May we continue the friendly/loving dialog and build this wonderful community we are all part of. Blessings, Kris

Kris 2007-10-25T05:25:28Z Stephanie http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#9e28329d-55dd-45c6-a4e3-c99d9b9d7641 2007-10-25T04:40:12Z 2007-10-25T04:40:12Z

I'd like to add a simple Hell Yeah! I want more CR parties ;-)

Stephanie 2007-10-25T04:40:12Z Teresa http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#668a8e86-3b20-4f98-b4b8-4495cecd0956 2007-10-25T02:18:51Z 2007-10-25T02:18:51Z

Oh, and about the music...I've never found anyone who likes it that loud, but the dj's won't listen! Whatsupwithat?

Teresa 2007-10-25T02:18:51Z Teresa http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#6dbbca18-45ea-47ba-845b-72c457f22099 2007-10-25T02:17:03Z 2007-10-25T02:17:03Z

Don't get me wrong, I had a freakin' blast! The front room was gorgeous (though cramped, through no fault of the staff), and the outside area was great fun! It was trying to work in an environment where so many people showed up drunk and falling all over everyone and trying their best to break things, and sweeping up broken whiskey and beer bottles that I found upsetting, and having poor Silas not paid any attention to during his performance wasn't nice either..After I came to the realization that it was all out of my control and that the dungeon was essentially not a dungeon anymore I was able to relax and have a great time when my shift was over. But, gosh, did I feel awful for all the staff that had to work after me, and poor B and E being so stressed out! People have GOT to start reading the rules! They're important, and exist to keep everyone safe and happy! We did have one event where the dungeon had separate wrist bands and rules and such, and it worked out very well. I would love to go back to that, venue permitting.

Teresa 2007-10-25T02:17:03Z kelly http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#4e4d7c24-d52e-4c70-9935-a4948946d49d 2007-10-25T01:35:55Z 2007-10-25T01:35:55Z

"Yeeah I was surprised to hear hard House beats comign from that area" thank you star and rhett... thank you thank you thank you...this has really bothered me a LOT and i always complain about the loud music but feel like it's a bit ignored...i'm glad others felt it was inappropriate and probably the worst ever...thank you thank you..i'm not just some old person that doesn't like that!

kelly 2007-10-25T01:35:55Z Jamie http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#ced68286-5fe2-43ac-9312-26287f89fdbb 2007-10-25T01:04:28Z 2007-10-25T01:04:28Z

**maybe something less open to the public, and more "by invitation only"** Then again, i woulda been "the public" and I hella dressed up, got naked, and participated. But I feel you. Too many dudes (gender neutral dudes of course...) standin around in jeans all night.

Jamie 2007-10-25T01:04:28Z Rhett http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#191dcb9e-8c83-4c3d-8532-3b175c9d67b5 2007-10-24T21:01:29Z 2007-10-24T21:01:29Z

But... Club risque is Club Risque and It may be that it has moved on from the way it was in the past and this is the may it is meant to be from now on. Perhaps there should be another event put on by those who want to see it done differently.

Rhett 2007-10-24T21:01:29Z Rhett http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#2740c69d-fcf2-4454-90ca-1ce77bc69046 2007-10-24T20:42:38Z 2007-10-24T20:42:38Z

The mix of party vibe with play vibe seems to be a big part of the problem. Perhaps turning the music way way down and encouraging quiet sprirt would help. I went to Harbin Hotsprings and the no talking policy really helps keep everyone feeling safe and secure while being naked around so many strangers. Making it a no alcohol event would solve a lot of problems as well.

Rhett 2007-10-24T20:42:38Z Rhett http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#f63dfcbe-f709-4616-af38-d8a1d64ad2ec 2007-10-24T20:36:23Z 2007-10-24T20:36:23Z

Yeeah I was surprised to hear hard House beats comign from that area. I had assumed it would be all down tempo and ambient in there. Plus it seemed like the dj table should've been set back out of the way more since I would think they were not supposed to be a focal point in the dungeon.

Rhett 2007-10-24T20:36:23Z Star http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#e61e8451-42fa-4e3a-a8a6-8fe6168c33bf 2007-10-24T20:22:12Z 2007-10-24T20:22:12Z

I had a few issues with the dungeon area as well, especially when people were inside the blue lines during my scene, it was very hard for me not to break the scene and get all NY on their ass. Maybe next time, pending there being a separate dungeon area like that, we could do something like they do at big festivals, and use a door monitor and paper bracelets? Anyone could get one, they would just have to say, read a list of rules and etiquette as part of their ticket check in to get one. If someone is an ass, we take their bracelet and they have to stick to the main dance area. It would be a little extra work in some ways, but it might save the staff from having to act as baby sitters. Also, maybe this is stereotyping a bit, but why is it that older men think it's ok to touch? I don't get that problem as much with the younger guys (usually younger women though). I had to ask several older men at the party to excuse themselves after touching me. Can we emphasize that even CASUAL touching is not ok without consent? Like, for example, the guy who puts his hand on your waist while trying to walk past you in a crowded area, or the guys who like to give you a playful slap on the shoulder when talking to you. THAT IS NOT OK! Keep your hands to yourself. Sorry, just needed to rant for a moment.

Star 2007-10-24T20:22:12Z edward http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#76cc7df4-735c-4c78-80c5-571a642d133a 2007-10-24T17:52:19Z 2007-10-24T17:52:19Z

Well said.

edward 2007-10-24T17:52:19Z bellequa http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#d1f8f95f-1ecc-4d75-82eb-c8feb73e17ff 2007-10-24T17:24:48Z 2007-10-24T17:24:48Z

I can hardly wait for the next play party and several of my friends from Arizona would like to visit me here and attend as well. Personally, I was relieved to see familier djs and faces from the dance scene mixed with the sex scene. It was my first Club Risque party and I wanted to start as an observer. In fact, it was recommended in the waiver. The sexual energy was intense and it was great to be able to dance, move my body, engage with other people in a physical way without comitting to a sexual activity. For a party that was advertised to the general public on fliers all over downtown, I thought there were very few creepy/drunk/non-participating individuals. Almost everyone was in costume! And I agree that it's a great way to introduce a sexually adventurous lifestyle to the curious normals. More! More!

bellequa 2007-10-24T17:24:48Z Teresa http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#03338606-eb97-4660-8f0e-bc9af7035941 2007-10-24T14:32:42Z 2007-10-24T14:32:42Z

I can honestly say that I have never before felt afraid for the safety of our guests until last Saturday. There is nothing sexy or respectful about drunken raving. Risque' ought to be treated with love, respect, sharing, joy, fun, and a sense of sacredness. Many guests were only there to party. It was extremely stressful for the staff, host, and hostess. I hope they choose to have another one, and while I had a blast myself (sober), I wouldn't blame them at all for not wanting to do it again. If they do have another, volunteer to help in whatever way is needed and encourage party goers to be respectful. We were extremely understaffed and had far too many demands made on our patience and energy. We all made the best out of what could have been a huge disaster, but just BARELY....

Teresa 2007-10-24T14:32:42Z kelly http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#0f9e21ff-1122-4e3a-aa50-5a0dc20ff427 2007-10-24T13:42:59Z 2007-10-24T13:42:59Z

Invitation only wouldn't really work. We need more of these kids educated or make sure they understand what the dungeon space is about. Previous CR dungeons have been packed with all stations filled up. I, for one, enjoy the spectators as long as they are respectful, don't touch our toys, stay out of the blue zone and keep quiet--little bit of wishful thinking but not impossible. Dancing through my space isn't a good thing--super loud music isn't a good thing either (that's my usual complaint only a DJ in the dungeon this time was strange--dance space or dungeon space? Pick one!) The important thing to note is that Club Risque is trying to cater to all types (hence pansexual event). Not enough people would come to pay the expenses if it didn't have the variety of folks.

kelly 2007-10-24T13:42:59Z a figment of your imagination http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#09d5e453-27ac-4d28-92e2-20f472747b98 2007-10-24T07:35:05Z 2007-10-24T07:35:05Z

I'd say there would be more people interested in them.

a figment of your imagination 2007-10-24T07:35:05Z Etaim http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#147bbedc-2c54-4f19-b1f3-ad84ae0a4185 2007-10-24T06:23:41Z 2007-10-24T06:23:41Z

I'd be willing to commute up from southern coastal mendo county more often, if there were more play parties. my only concern, is there were too many kids there to watch, and not enough participants. even if I had a subbie again, I would like to see more people working at the stations, and fewer spectators ogling. maybe something less open to the public, and more "by invitation only"... either way, I'm in for more.

Etaim 2007-10-24T06:23:41Z kelly http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#cfff4b2a-27bc-48c5-84ee-bfd55f0fd4d1 2007-10-24T03:43:23Z 2007-10-24T03:43:23Z

I'm all for it...except..i'd realllly love to see the dungeon space as dungeon space and not a loud dance space.

kelly 2007-10-24T03:43:23Z Tybie http://clubrisque.tribe.net/thread/66bee035-7f04-4f68-8a12-85ffa92098b7#3793d080-fc1a-4401-a7eb-2bf429ce5518 2007-10-24T02:36:11Z 2007-10-24T02:36:11Z

Hey, anybody else out there wish that there were more Club Risque play parties every year? I for one LOVED the Mask of Eros last weekend and I just wish there was more! So just curious, ARE there others out there who want Club Risque play parties to happen more frequently?

Tybie 2007-10-24T02:36:11Z